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Radeon 8500 -> FireGL 8500 (help needed)
I know that not everyone will want to run the FireGL driver because you'll take a 5~10% performance hit in games but for those of us running professional 3D apps the idea of running the FireGL drivers on an overclocked $100 128mb 8500LE and getting the same (or better) performance as a $300 FireGL 8800 sounds good.
A bunch of us have been working on it over here but we've hit a bit of a wall with the Win2000 version. KlaasBaas has a working WinXP version. In a nutshell, FireGL 8X00 cards have a device ID of 5148. Radeon 8500 cards have a device ID of 514C. The drivers normally check to see if there is a "5148" card in the system. We are modifying the FireGL drivers to check for a "514C" card instead by doing the following: For the Win2000 driver: In fglrx.inf: In [ATI.Mfg] section added: "ATI Fire GL 8500 Video Accelerator=FGLRX,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C" In fglrxgl.dll: @offset 0x000CAE88 changed "48" to "4C" (device ID check) In fglrxm.sys: @offset 0x00000130 changed "30" to "B4" (checksum) @offset 0x00000130 changed "0A" to "09" (checksum) @offset 0x00042034 changed "48" to "4C" (device ID check) @offset 0x00042036 changed "80" to "00" (device ID check) The WinXP driver mod is much the same. When modded, the XP driver works fine, but the Win2000 driver will not complete the install (for unknown reasons - it just says "Could not complete the installation - Set your video mode to stadard VGA and try again"  or something to that effect).As you can read everything at the rage3d thread I won't repeat it all here. I was hoping that since people here obviously are pretty good with drivers someone might lend a hand. Cheers, - JW BTW I like the smilies. Last edited by JCLW; Nov 16, 2002 at 01:25 AM. |
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Isn't there...
...more in the .inf file that needs changing? I don't know squat about fireGL and such, and I'm not the best with .inf modding, but I thought you had to add a couple of lines to the inf. I'll have to poke around and get back to ya, if not by tomorrow sometime feel free to bump the thread and remind me. (I forget, sorry.
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Nov 16, 2002, 06:28 AM
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I wonder . . .
Hmm, how would the actual FireGl compare to a regular 8500 in games?
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Nov 16, 2002, 02:24 PM
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5~10% slower in DirectX games. 20% faster in OpenGL games.
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Nov 24, 2002, 10:54 PM
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Anyone?
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Has anyone done any further research into a hard mod or BIOS mod?
If all it's checking is the PCI ID, that should be really easy to hack up.
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Dec 7, 2002, 08:48 PM
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I don't need that, so if anyone wants to test, I will make it. Do you want me to use BBA 7.008 BIOS I have or yours one? If yours, please send it to me. Also, please mention PCI IDs for FireGL.
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Dec 7, 2002, 09:18 PM
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Vendor ID is 1002 (ATI)
Device IDs: Radeon 8500 is 514C FireGL 8500 is 5148 - JW |
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Dec 7, 2002, 09:52 PM
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Here's the whole list
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1002 ATI Technologies 4158 68800AX Mach 32 4242 Radeon 8500 DV Edition 4243 Lucent OHCI IEEE1394 Host Controller 4336 Radeon Mobility U1 4354 215CT222 Mach 64 CT 4358 210888CX Mach64 CX 4554 Mach64 ET 4654 Mach64 VT 4742 ATI GTC (GT-C2U2) ATI 3D Rage Pro Turbo AGP 2X 4744 Rage 3D Pro AGP 1x 4747 Rage 3D Pro 4749 Rage Pro Turbo PCI ATI ALL IN WONDER PRO (8MB) 474C Rage XC PCI-66 474D Rage XL AGP 2x 474E Rage XC AGP 2x 474F Rage XL PCI-66 4750 Rage 3D Pro PCI Graphics Accelerator 4751 Rage 3D Pro PCI 4752 Rage XL PCI 4753 Rage XC PCI 4754 Mach 64 GT Rage 3D II Graphics Accelerator 4755 Rage 3D II+ 4756 Rage 3D IIC PCI Graphics Accelerator 4757 3D 11C AGP Rage 3D IIC AGP 4758 210888GX Mach 64 GX (WinTurbo) 4759 Rage 3D IIC 475A Rage 3D IIC AGP 4966 Radeon RV250 496E Radeon RV250 Secondary 4C42 Rage 3D LT Pro AGP 133 MHz 4C44 Rage 3D LT Pro AGP 66 MHz 4C45 Rage Mobility M3 AGP 4C46 Mobility M3 AGP 2x 4C47 Rage 3D LT-G 4C49 Rage 3D LT Pro PCI 4C4D 01541014 Rage P/M Mobility AGP 2x 4C4E Rage L Mobility AGP 2x 4C50 Rage 3D LT Pro PCI 4C51 Rage 3D LT Pro PCI 4C52 Rage P/M Mobility PCI 4C53 Rage L Mobility PCI 4C54 Mach 64 LT 4C57 Radeon Mobility M6 LW 4C58 FireGL Mobility 4C59 Mobility 6 Radeon Mobility M6 LY 4C5A Radeon Mobility M6 LZ 4C64 Radeon Mobility M9-GL 4C66 Radeon Mobility M9 4D46 Rage Mobility 128 AGP 4x 4D4C Rage Mobility 128 AGP 4E44 R300 Radeon 9700 Pro 4E64 Radeon 9700 Series - Secondary 5041 Rage 128 Pro PA PCI 5042 Rage 128 Pro PB AGP 2x 5043 Rage 128 Pro PC AGP 4x 5044 Rage 128 Pro PD PCI 5045 Rage 128 Pro PE AGP 2x 5046 Rage 128 Pro PF AGP 4x 5047 Rage 128 Pro PG PCI 5048 Rage 128 Pro PH AGP Rage 128 Pro PH AGP 2x 5049 Rage 128 Pro PI AGP Rage 128 Pro PI AGP 4x 504A Rage 128 Pro PJ PCI Rage 128 Pro PJ PCI (TMDS) 504B Rage 128 Pro PK AGP Rage 128 Pro PK AGP 2x (TMDS) 504C Rage 128 Pro PL AGP Rage 128 Pro PL AGP 4x (TMDS) 504D Rage 128 Pro PM PCI Rage 128 Pro PM PCI 504E Rage 128 Pro PN AGP Rage 128 Pro PN AGP 2x 504F Rage 128 Pro PO AGP Rage 128 Pro PO AGP 4x 5050 Rage 128 Pro PP PCI Rage 128 Pro PP PCI (TMDS) 5051 Rage 128 Pro PQ AGP Rage 128 Pro PQ AGP 2x (TMDS) 5052 Rage 128 Pro PR AGP Rage 128 Pro PR AGP 4x (TMDS) 5053 Rage 128 Pro PS PCI Rage 128 Pro PS PCI 5054 Rage 128 Pro PT AGP Rage 128 Pro PT AGP 2x 5055 Rage 128 Pro PU AGP Rage 128 Pro PU AGP 4x 5056 Rage 128 Pro PV PCI Rage 128 Pro PV PCI (TMDS) 5057 Rage 128 Pro PW AGP Rage 128 Pro PW AGP 2x (TMDS) 5058 Rage 128 Pro PX AGP Rage 128 Pro PX AGP 4x (TMDS) 5144 Radeon 7200 / Radeon 5145 Radeon QE 5146 Radeon QF 5147 Radeon QG [color=yellow]5148 Radeon R200 QH FireGL 8700/8800[/color] 5149 Radeon R200 QI 514A Radeon R200 QJ 514B Radeon R200 QK [color=yellow]514C Radeon R200 QL Radeon 8500[/color] 514E Radeon R200 QM 514F Radeon R200 QN 5157 RV200 Radeon 7500 5158 Radeon 7500 QX 5159 Radeon VE QY Radeon 7000 / Radeon VE 515A Radeon VE QZ 5168 Radeon R200 Qh 5169 Radeon R200 Qi 516A Radeon R200 Qj 516B Radeon R200 Qk 516C Radeon 8500 / 8500LE 5245 Rage 128 GL PCI 5246 Rage 128 GL AGP 2x Rage Fury 16/32MB 5247 Rage 128 RG 524B Rage 128 VR RK PCI 524C Rage 128 VR RL AGP 2x 5345 Rage 128 4x SE PCI 5346 Rage 128 SF 4x AGP 2x 5347 Rage 128 SG 4x AGP 4x 5348 Rage 128 4x SH 534B Rage 128 SK PCI Rage 128 4x SK PCI 534C Rage 128 SL AGP 2x Rage 128 4x SL AGP 2x 534D Rage 128 SM AGP 4x Rage 128 4x SM AGP 4x 534E Rage 128 4x 5354 Mach 64 ST 5446 Rage 128 PRO ULTRA 544C Rage 128 Pro TL 5452 Rage 128 Pro TR 5455 Rage 128 Pro Ultra TU 5654 215VT222 Mach 64 VT VIDEO XPRESSION 5655 Mach 64 VT3 5656 Mach 64 VT4 PCI 700F PCI to AGP Bridge CAB0 CPU to PCI Bridge Last edited by JCLW; Dec 7, 2002 at 09:58 PM. |
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Dec 7, 2002, 10:23 PM
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OK, will be done for tomorrow (I don't have time to do it this moment).
I will use my 7.008 BIOS, you will test. OK?
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Dec 10, 2002, 03:28 AM
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Oh well.
There go the posts. Anyways, I'll probably exchange the card next weekend unless I figure out a way to fix it before that. - JW |
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Dec 18, 2002, 09:29 AM
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RIV@NVX - When you have it running, let me know. My 9700 Pro will be here soon, and if it works on 8500->8800, it just might work on 9700->X1.
If you get a BIOS, I'll find an 8500 to test with somehow.
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Dec 18, 2002, 11:58 AM
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Too bad that if you try you will screw up your card.
Don't try this, it will probably not work because of ASIC code on card that differs from modded BIOS.
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Could you possibly edit an 8500 .rom bios file, changing 514C -> 5148 ?
But you should also change the checksum(s), they're also written in the bios. I think they have some info on bios at radeon2.ru, but I don't understand Russian. You could have a try, Riv@, should be closer to Croatian than to Romanian. Anyway, if this doesn't work, whoever tries it would be in trouble prima.
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I hope it works !
Does this work. It would be great if it did. Is it possible to run the firegl drivers on radeon 8500 without to change the bios.
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The BIOS mod didn't work for me, so be careful if you play with it. I had to exchange my card. Actually I still have to exchange it - hopefully I'll have time later today.
If you run WinXP there are working modified drivers (latest version - modified by KlaasBaas over at Rage3D). Let me know if you want them and I will host. There is no working set of the modified latest Win2000 drivers. - JW |
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 SOLUTION DOESN'T WORK (at least didn't in JCLW's case).
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Could someone point me to these hacked drivers?
I am very interested in trying them out but can't seem to find anywhere to download them : ( Thanks |
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Re: Radeon 8500 -> FireGL 8500 (help needed)
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Excellent!! Found the driver and my 8500 (now 8800 !!) works great!!
You people who made these drivers possible have made me a happy man indeed!! Thankyou very much! |
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Heh very cool. I think I'll try this out on the 8500 in my server (which doesn't get used for games obviously)
UPDATE: Yes these do work even under .NET Server. Now I must find a working Control Panel for them... |
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I take it you guys are both using the WinXP 3046 driver?
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Dec 23, 2002, 01:53 AM
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The 3051 drivers are out so I'll have a go at them when I get my Xmas shopping done.
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I'm using whatever version was linked to in the Rage3D thread that had the modified files bundled with it. Any idea what Control Panel I should use with em? None of the FireGL pages at ATI link to a separate Control Panel.
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It didn't install a control panel?
Try installing the latest regular control panel. - JW |
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Ok the control panel from the Cat2.5 set works, but there aren't any FireGL specific options. I thought they'd have something to enable specific Maya, 3DMax, etc settings.
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They should... maybe you grabbed an older driver.
I just finished the 3051 install packages, but I havn't tried them yet. As always, at your own risk: FireGL 8500 win2k.3051 FireGL 8500 winXP.3051 - JW |
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Yeah I used the set that was linked to over at R3D. It's the 3046 set. I'll give your 3051s a try.
UPDATE: Ok the 3051s installed just fine over the older 3046. Still no Control Panel. I do have a Hydravision control attached to all my windows now though. |
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Dec 24, 2002, 06:58 PM
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Specter used a control panel from the 6200s: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...0&pagenumber=3
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And just in case those with 9700s were feeling left out:
(As always, at your own risk) FireGL 9700 1021 The driver should do both 2k/XP. I don't have a 9700 so it is untested as of yet. Let me know if it works if you try it. - JW |
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